I have a hypothetical idea to help combat the problem of overpopulation: paying people to get sterilized. We already sterilize overpopulated dogs and cats—and consider this to be humane and for the greater good. However, with cats and dogs we do not consider the issue of consent, which we must consider with people. That is why I propose offering people money to get sterilized—because it gives them choice in the matter. The decision then becomes voluntary.
Meanwhile, our Western society presently does the opposite of my proposal: we offer people financial incentives to have children. This happens in some non-Western societies too, and for the same reason: to increase the future workforce. Depending on the country and culture, people with children receive such benefits as tax breaks, paid time off from work, housing opportunities, and in Australia and a few other countries, even direct cash payments, known as the “Baby Bonus.” And people’s children themselves get many benefits at taxpayer expense, such as free or reduced-cost health care, education, travel on public transportation and airlines, etc. And of course there is the financial incentive provided by people’s own families: parents commonly give so much more money to those of their children who procreate than to those who do not. This is considered normal. Society and the family reward parents. And our world’s greater good, and the ecological future of our planet, be damned.
But what would actually happen if governments, or even private foundations, took my hypothetical proposal seriously? I imagine there would be a fair number of people who would jump at the opportunity immediately. To that end, there already is a program in the UK, called Project Prevention, that pays drug addicts a nominal, flat fee to take long-term birth control or get sterilized. Their motivation, however, is largely different from that of this proposal, though their work does shine a light on one unfair aspect of paying people a flat fee: that it’s more likely to attract people in financial distress. Of course, one could argue that people in more financial distress would be less appropriate parents anyway, though I see that as a separate issue.
One way to help neutralize unfair sides of the problem might be to make the financial incentive income-dependent. For example, perhaps people who voluntarily got sterilized would no longer have to pay taxes. Or, if people were to be paid an immediate lump sum for sterilization, they could be paid an amount relative to their income.
I could conceive of other benefits as well. For instance, presently American military veterans receive many benefits—housing and educational opportunities, medical care opportunities, priority airline boarding, free burial services, reduced costs for many other services, etc. What if voluntarily sterilized people received these benefits, and more? In short, hold these sterilized folks up as examples of model citizens—people making a personal sacrifice for the good of the world.
Meanwhile, this proposal would entail other problems. For example, should people be paid a lesser rate if they’d already had children, let’s say, three or four children, and then decided to become sterilized? Would that be fair? Or what about people who were beyond reproductive age? Or people who were already considered infertile? Should these people be excluded from receiving sterilization benefits?
I’m not saying my proposal is a simple idea, or necessary a great one at all, but I do find it an idea worth contemplating…
dangerously borders on eugenics
the idea of overpopulation
in my view is another tool used by those who hold the ultimate power and control over the global population
why is it overpopulation is a focus here
when most probably if we were appropriate stewards of the planet we could easily accommodate the number of people residing on the planet
see agenda 21
to pay people to volunteer to be sterilized enters into very dangerous territory for direct manipulation by the power structure to manipulate certain segments of the population to become sterilized based on race and economic standing
there also feels to me like some nihilism inherent in this idea
and I think about the current conversation around hate speech and placing certain societal control around free speech
these ideas can easily be twisted and controlled to a nefarious end by those in power
and we see that there is a chasm between those who wield power in terms of control in our society
i get the impulse around or behind this thought or idea
but the potential for horrific outcome is too great in my opinion
Giving financial benefits for having children could also be seen as manipulation
It has been shown over and over that countries that develop higher standards of living experience a negative birth rate after some time (if one look past immigration), as people realize they no longer need to birth 10 children for 3 to grow up and take care of them. In Europe for example the average fertility rate is 1.6 children per woman. This would constitute a decline as you need 2 children to “replace” man and woman. Is this a prospect you have taken in to consideration when advocating people to not have children? Just curious.
Other than that, I want to give a huge thank you for your videos on YouTube. I’m 20 years old and moved out from my parents a year ago. Your videos, along with the works of Pete Walker, has been vital to me in my recovery. Had I not stumbled upon your content I would probably have lived in the fog for another 10-20 years, maybe even longer because the abuse was rather insidious. My parents never hit me or said anything blatantly cruel. It was mostly emotional neglect, and particularly my mother tried to mold me into becoming *her* parent and shaming me for not loving her. I was completely blind to it before, but now I’m starting to see her more clearly. When I see her, I see so much of the behavior resembles that of a 3-4 year old child. How everything she does is with the goal of satiating her unmet needs for love, care and protection. Like when she reflexively grabs toward my arm when frightened, or how she “cuddles” with children to the point where they feel assaulted and tell here to stop. Her bragging for attention and neediness around other people. Her insecurity and how she is left out in conversations. She’s getting worse. She has no support, and seems to be living in a state of constant terror, like she’s staring death in the eyes. I was blind to it before because I was blind to it in myself, but now I see it so clearly and it breaks my heart. And the worst thing is I have no idea how to help her.
Wow removing yourself from a toxic family at 20 and having that realisation of the covert abuse which is so hard to call on and really identify. Well done you!!! Like you say you could have been a fog for another 10 or 20 years, that’s what happens to most people and the longer you stay the more damage is done and we become trauma bonded and have a form of Stockholm Syndrome to our abuser. My mother also has the emotional age of a toddler and she expected to be treated like a child who needed everything her way. She was emotionally neglected as a child so having children was purely based on fullfilling her needs and the void that was inside her. As soon as he started to grow up and have our own minds she became angry and her need for control was totally tyrannical. My father enabled her and would say “she’s not well” or “she didn’t mean it” she never ever apologised, took accountability or felt even the slightest bit of remourse for anything – because it’s not about my feelings, everything is about her and what she feels. I was always conditioned to see my mother as the victim, the perpetual victim. She was vulnerable when i was small and unable to cope children, she just wanted babies because babies need their mothers constantly and babies have no voice or autonomy. Emotionally immature mothers do not want their children to be independent and have their own sovereignty. The best thing you did was getting away. Do what you want to do in life and don’t be pulled back in by the high end emotional manipulation tactics and the guilt trips. That’s what I did. Sometimes people get away and then after sometime forget abt it and end up being pulled back. Like crabs in a bowl – when a crab tries to crawl out of a bowl the other crabs will pull it back… that’s like these toxic families. True unconditional love is wanting the person to be happy and do what they enjoy and fullfills them in life. But selfish parents only love their kids when they are fullfilling the parents needs. They don’t really care what makes their child happy they only care about themselves and their emotional needs being met. They also never look at themselve or do any introspection so they get more fixed in their ways the older they get. You have your whole life ahead of you. Don’t let anyone hold you back regardless of who they are. We are not responsible for our parents emotional pain.
I love this theory. I’ve often contemplated the idea myself. And I went to my doctor in my early twenties, asking for sterilization, as I had never wanted children of my own… I was told no. That I was too young to know what I wanted, and that no doctor in their right mind would perform such a surgery on me!
Fast forward to nearly 10 years later, and I am still child-free. I also now have health problems that (most likely would) prevent me from having a healthy pregnancy, if I wanted one. It’s just outrageous to me that doctors won’t even consider sterilization when the patient is basically begging for it…..
Too much people in this world.
But could this politics of paying people for not to having childrens result in a world in wich only rich people reproduces? Childrens as status symbols?
It doesn’t seems to me that choosing sterilization because in poverty is a real choice, and if not in poverty, having childrens is a too badly need for leaving it in exchange of some more money in their lifes.
Instead, in western countries as mine, Italy, people is detenting to have children. The less poverty, the more choice not to reproduce. It seems alfabetization and culture does a great job in diminishing births.
yes, basically it’s an untenable proposition. as a thought experiment it is interesting, i think, but if were actually implemented in this ultra-screwed up modern world i thought it would manifest in ugly ways.
Paying people to get euthanasia is also a possibility…
I think your understanding of populations dynamics might be a little week.
There have been plagues and wars and influenza epidemics and they often hardly dent the increase in population. What seems to work is equality between the sexes and easily available birth control. Women then take it from there as they would much rather do other things than bring up big families.
hi John,
In one sense i agree with what you say. i’m all for equality between the sexes and for making various forms of birth control more available (and i’ve read the articles about the effects this has on the number of kids people tend to have). so i don’t disagree with that in general. but in this essay i am just trying out a different idea. and a hypothetical one at that, because frankly i don’t think anything like this would or could come to be realistic anytime soon anyway. it was more a thought experiment. i could write another essay just criticizing this blog post… daniel
Anyone denying the absolute necessity to do something definitive about this is living in a dream. Here are the up to the minute statistics:
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
We must be more responsible with sex, which results in babies. Whether you choose to use birth control or choose to abstain, bringing a child into the world is massively impactful. Not just for your family or community, but for the entire world. But we also must be more careful in choosing partners, and stop treating our bodies so dismally.
No one cares what you or Mackler think they should be doing with their bodies because they are free. Enforced sterilization has been used on incarcerated women in many oppressive countries before. In tge past, US Corporations have also forced sterilization on their Latin American women workers. Both you & Mackler are over-reaching when you suggest people sterilize themselves. We’re free including to reproduce indiscriminately, if we wish. You will never stand a chance in getting people to sterilize themselves because you feel it’s the right thing to do. Are you insane, to think you can condescend to us so thoroughly? You think you’re enlightened? You are suffering from megalomania as well as naïveté if you think any working poor person will ever follow your beliefs.
I appreciate your passion. And I am not suggesting any such thing as forced or coerced sterilization. It is criminally wrong to force others to do anything against their will, especially to their person. As a victim of violent crime I am the first to join you in this obvious rejection of control by others. At the same time, we must all wake up and realize what is happening to our world. It is obvious that if we do nothing, those who come after us will suffer greatly, all because we were too selfish to think ahead from our own lives and personal desires. So, a solution is needed. Rather than suggest things that hurt one another, or lashing out like children, what answers would you suggest to this problem? Notice I offer abstinence. Is that really so hard to do? Are we such animals unable to control our reproductive impulses? I do not believe it is so.
agreed, chromalyn!
It need evidence to prove “No one cares” what chromalyn and Mackler talked about.
I doubt if “You will never stand a chance” to having people consider a different choice.
Obviously it’s not about “getting people to sterilize themselves” – it’s about creating alternative choices.
The labels of “insane”, “megalomania” are insults without grounds.
dimitra, I urge you to be mindful of your language. It’s nice that Mackler’s page provides a space for comments. It does not mean this page allows personal insults and bully.
hi vida — thanks for your comment. i appreciate it. it is very stressful for me to read comments like dimitra’s. but sometimes that is the risk i take by putting up an essay that speaks about a hot-button topic like sterilization in anything other than a negative light. the reason, however, that i am choosing to leave up her comment is that i think she’s not the only one who feels that way, so i think she speaks for others. so even if the dialogue is a little ugly, at least it’s a dialogue. and i appreciate that others have participated in it. it takes away some of the sting! daniel
p.s. for the record, i think forcing sterilization on anyone is awful. maybe i wasn’t explicit enough about that in the first paragraph.
Daniel, you were entirely explicit, and while i don’t personally know completely how I feel about the suggestion, I appreciate the courage it took to articulate it and share it here as you have.
I can say that I feel that perhaps an open and stated and option of sterilization with incentives might be a better solution than what is currently being enforced on the general population, which has the same aim, but is being done in a surreptitious manner, thereby removing any choice as an option for individuals.
Anyway, I always appreciate that you tackle subjects and topics that evidence your awareness about deeper issues.
Whoa dimitra….. I felt like I had just been severely beaten up, just by reading your comment. I also felt like your perception of both the essence of Daniel’s post and chromalyn’s comment was perhaps not entirely accurate – not making you wrong for having your feelings, just sharing my observation and perceptions. I can also clearly see that you are very triggered by both the post and the scantest suggestion of anything related to this topic, and you are of course allowed to be thus. I simply wanted to share that I personally felt attacked by your comment – even though I haven’t even commented, which may be your intention or not, I don’t know.
No one here is even remotely suggesting enforced anything, to be clear.
With that said, I hope you can find some support in working through some of the heavier emotions/feelings that this post raised for you, if you think that is something that would be beneficial for you.
I absolutely agree with the idea, I have not had any children, I made that decision together with my partner & have never regreted it, I am 59 y.o. & am very happy of the decition we took so many years ago. It is a fact the world is over populated & people should be aware of the consecuences of this, it is not good for the human race nor nature in general, much suffering would be avoided if more people were aware of this.
i am also glad i never had kids. it’s hard enough to be a good parent to myself, and i’m glad i’m not responsible for bringing more people into this sadly overpopulated world. all the best cristy! daniel
No es una buena idea lo que está proponiendo, tampoco lo es el incentivo económico a adictos dado en Londres por una ONG estadounidense para el uso de anticonceptivos y opción a esterilizarse.
En el corazón de esa idea late el estigma.
En su propuesta parece haber un gran desconocimiento de los fracasos de las políticas sobre el control de la natalidad.
Igualmente parece desconocer la esterilización masiva de mujeres en América Latina y las leyes que regulan la esterilización de mujeres y niñas con discapacidad psicosocial.
¿Qué le hace pensar que padres con problemas económicos pueden resultar poco fiables? Usted está cuestionando los sistemas de seguridad social que significaron un avance en el mundo entero. Los países que pagan incentivos para tener hijos son países con altos estándares de vida que se ven afectados por la falta de nacimientos, en otras palabras: los afecta tener una enorme población de personas mayores y pocos jóvenes.
Me preocupa un poco (mucho) su post. Muy sinceramente, Lucila